{"id":2499,"date":"2012-09-20T11:07:50","date_gmt":"2012-09-20T16:07:50","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.alvaronoboa.com\/?p=2499"},"modified":"2012-12-13T09:42:22","modified_gmt":"2012-12-13T14:42:22","slug":"audio-alvaro-noboa-talked-on-radio-tarqui-about-his-experiencies-and-political-life","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.alvaronoboa.com\/en\/news\/audio-alvaro-noboa-talked-on-radio-tarqui-about-his-experiencies-and-political-life\/","title":{"rendered":"[AUDIO] Alvaro Noboa talked on Radio Tarqui about his experiencies and political life"},"content":{"rendered":"

\"\"The lawyer \u00c1lvaro Noboa talked on Radio Tarqui about his experiences and political life <\/strong>since the year 1998. About the dirty war he has received and the political persecution he is suffering.<\/p>\n

He also talked about his future campaign as president of the country and his government plan to create wealth and distribute it\u00a0adequately\u00a0among the Ecuadorians.<\/p>\n

He also dialogued about the CNE signatures and his call to the Ecuadorian Youth to become PRIAN assemblymen<\/strong>. This event will be realized at the facilities of Industrial Molinera, at 16:30, on Saturday September 22th, 2012.<\/p>\n

Hear the words of the PRIAN Leader, \u00c1lvaro Noboa:<\/strong><\/p>\n

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TEXTUAL TRANSCRIPTION<\/strong><\/p>\n

HERN\u00c1N HERDOIZA:\u00a0 <\/strong>We have received an interesting proposal to be able to make contact with a businessman, a politician, an attorney.\u00a0 He\u2019s an Ecuadorian, logically, who since 1998, has been constantly present in the political arena. I am referring to attorney \u00c1lvaro Noboa, who is already with us via telephone and we say to him, Counselor, a very good morning.<\/p>\n

\u00c1LVARO NOBOA:\u00a0 <\/strong>Good morning. It\u2019s a pleasure for me to be with you today, and we also greet those who are listening to us at this moment, let\u2019s go to the interview.<\/p>\n

HERN\u00c1N HERDOIZA:\u00a0 <\/strong>Yes, of course, Counselor. Since 1998, I was saying, that was the beginning, your entrance into the political arena. How would you, or what overview, for example, what experience have you drawn from those four attempts?<\/p>\n

\u00c1LVARO NOBOA:\u00a0 <\/strong>Well, that politics, unfortunately, even if it gives us the power to change a country, is a tortuous road full of traps, and full of falsehoods. In 1998, I won the elections, and they committed fraud against me; in 2006, I won against Rafael Correa in the first round, and the MPD, Le\u00f3n Rold\u00f3s, Pachakutek<\/em>, the PRE, Sociedad Patri\u00f3tica<\/em> \u2013 which gave freedom of vote to their people \u2013 voted for Correa. Now they are all enemies of the government.<\/p>\n

They say that politics is the struggle for power. Effectively, it is a struggle, it is a war, it is a struggle with a lot of dirty war. In each campaign, I have suffered from the fact of them inventing something in the world of the dirty war in order come at me with it ceaselessly and they blur the goals that I would like for the country, which is to transform the country into a wealthy middle class country where poor people will be able to be middle class via education, via better jobs, via investment, where they are able to have a cement house, where they are able to have cars, where they are able to have university degrees, healthcare, neighborhood security, like the middle class in Chile has, like the middle class in the United States has.<\/p>\n

HERN\u00c1N HERDOIZA:\u00a0 <\/strong>That is Counselor \u00c1lvaro Noboa\u2019s aspiration. You said that politics is a tortuous road, tricky, a dirty war many, many times. Thos examples, those cases can also occur within the \u00a0one\u2019s own party?<\/p>\n

\u00c1LVARO NOBOA:\u00a0 <\/strong>They occur inside the party and outside of it, because part of the dirty war is that governments often try to corrupt the party\u2019s own members so that they desert, so that they betray, so that they are \u201cturned\u201d, as they say on the streets, and therefore, this war occurs both inside the party and outside of the very same ranks of the party. It makes it very difficult. It\u2019s not like a business, a radio, where everybody is working together for the common good. Here, many times, you don\u2019t know who you are working with; you don\u2019t know at what moment a government employee is being bought, you don\u2019t know at what moment they are, well, planning a betrayal. Remember, in history Julio Caesar died in the Congress at the hands of his best friends, including at the hands of his adoptive son, Brutus. So it\u2019s one of the dirtiest wars there is.<\/p>\n

HERN\u00c1N HERDOIZA:\u00a0 <\/strong>Counselor, \u00c1lvaro Noboa\u2019s milieu has been torn apart. Men who were very closely tied to your political participation have left. Will it affect in some way your upcoming participation, if it comes to that?<\/p>\n

\u00c1LVARO NOBOA:\u00a0 <\/strong>\u00a0Not at all, because it\u2019s \u00c1lvaro Noboa and the List 7 who brings in the votes. If you see one of the motives for desertion, it\u2019s when I put out a call to the youth, because half the country is young people, 18 years and older. Therefore, I think that half the Assembly has to be represented by young people, because this is a democratic country. That\u2019s the reason that many of them, seeing themselves being displaced, have wanted to leave the party. Others out of fear, others because they have let themselves be turned. There\u2019s been a little bit of everything. But none of them brought me votes. If you measure it across the ticket, the 7 ticket and \u00c1lvaro Noboa have always got more votes than those that have gotten from me.<\/p>\n

HERN\u00c1N HERDOIZA:\u00a0 <\/strong>7:38, with attorney \u00c1lvaro Noboa commenting here, via Tarqui<\/em>, with me, with Erika Zapata and with Jorge Aguirre, who also want to share in, that\u2019s what we agreed on.<\/p>\n

ERIKA ZAPATA:\u00a0 <\/strong>Counselor, a very good morning, in this multi-diverse Ecuador, how can equitable systems of distribution of wealth be constructed in order to reach you goal of having a wealthy middle class?<\/p>\n

\u00c1LVARO NOBOA:\u00a0 <\/strong>The first thing that needs to be done is create wealth. Before distributing wealth, wealth needs to be created and I am going to show the way to create wealth. And I will also go on to answer your question about how to distribute it. In order to create wealth, you need for the producer, whether he calls himself a worker, farmer, fisherman, tourism person, whatever, to be a trained person. That training has to be specialized. We are replete with lawyers, with doctors, with engineers, but being a banana producing country, we don\u2019t have a first rate school for training in banana production. Honduras, a country much smaller than our own, has the best school for banana production when it should be us.\u00a0 In tourism, every tourist who comes to the county represents one Ecuadorian who attends him. That is a huge source of employment, but nevertheless, we don\u2019t have a great school for tourism. We don\u2019t have on in floriculture, nor for vegetable production, nor for rice, nor for corn, and it\u2019s worse in the modern systems of production like computing, cellular phones, etc., etc.<\/p>\n

So that training has to come from two sources. One source, industry itself, the very same investor who one brings to the country. One has to require training for their workers of them. Normally, they do that; it\u2019s to their own benefit. The second has to come from the universities. So a man who goes to work in telephones, that is going to make Blackberry telephones, like I heard the President of Mexico talking about, that half of\u00a0 the Blackberry phones are made in Mexico. So those Mexican workers are already specialists in making Blackberry phones, and therefore can demand much more in salary once they are trained. That\u2019s where the distribution of wealth comes from.<\/p>\n

So that investors come, it\u2019s very necessary to have judicial due process. That there isn\u2019t any of this persecution in the Court system on the part of Economist Correa, on the part of the IRS, because they have control of the Court. They come, as if they were in their own homes, to imprison those judges who don\u2019t find for them in issues like with El Universo<\/em>, in issues like Bananera Noboa<\/em>, etc., etc. That frightens off the investor, it has to end. The investor needs to know that if he goes to Court, he\u2019s going to have a fair resolution and not that every time the state loses, the judge is going to be imprisoned, that they persecute him, they destroy him. And every time the state is wrong in taking this posture or that posture they have control of the Court from the outset that always ensures that they are in the right. With that, no one is going to come here.<\/p>\n

Taxes also have to be reduced so that it becomes attractive for investors, but without affecting the Treasury, because, in coming, just to say something, a hundred to one, the number of investors who come to the country, even though they pay a little less, when one multiplies it by a hundred, the Treasury is going to benefit a lot. That\u2019s going to generate more wealth. It\u2019s going to make it so that the worker can demand a better salary. The countryside is going to produce double in rice, in banana, in corn, in everything. And in producing double, or triple, they are going to have better income. There have to be better business policies. In the United States the corn harvests are bought by the government with certain floors, and below those levels the farmer isn\u2019t affected because they buy his corn even though it is more expensive than on the market, but likewise, when the market goes crazy, like it is now, the government comes and sells that corn and even makes a profit.<\/p>\n

ERIKA ZAPATA:\u00a0 <\/strong>Counselor, regarding the issue of specialization in production, how many years would it take the country until it can count on a new model of education according to this need?<\/p>\n

\u00c1LVARO NOBOA:\u00a0 <\/strong>With a new model, it\u2019s not much time. Generally, specialized degrees take two or three years, if they are university degrees, five years, but remember that a big part of this training is going to come from the very same industry that would install itself and that takes months. That doesn\u2019t take years, that only takes months.<\/p>\n

JORGE AGUIRRE:\u00a0 <\/strong>Counselor, a very good day, this is Jorge Aguirre greeting you. The fact lies in drawing a line, and in order to do so, first we need the support of the party and, consequently\u00a0 that you register. Are you having problems with the National Electoral Counsel at the moment, particularly for the signatures?<\/p>\n

\u00c1LVARO NOBOA:\u00a0 <\/strong>We are going to be the party with the most registered signatures, and I am going to explain to you why. In the first revision, we already had 150,000 approved signatures. 157,000 are required, but we have submitted 200,000 additional ones for the second revision. If of those 200,000, only half are valid, we will already have 250,000 signatures. If, of those \u00a0200,000 a third a valid, we will already have 210,000 signatures, and there is no party, apart from Alianza Pa\u00eds<\/em>, which is a movement and not a party, that has that amount of signatures.<\/p>\n

JORGE AGUIRRE: <\/strong>\u00a0All of that will be before next Monday, the 24th<\/sup>, which is the latest date.<\/p>\n

\u00c1LVARO NOBOA:\u00a0 <\/strong>Up until yesterday, or the day before, we already had 150,000 approved. Of the 200,000 additional signature, we only need that they accept 7,000 to be qualified.<\/p>\n

JORGE AGUIRRE:\u00a0 <\/strong>So then we can say that the PRIAN will be participating in the next electoral fight.<\/p>\n

\u00c1LVARO NOBOA:\u00a0 <\/strong>Not only participating, but with pride, it will be the biggest party in the country.<\/p>\n

HERN\u00c1N HERDOIZA:\u00a0 <\/strong>Counselor, at this moment there are two candidates of a similar tendency, in your case as a pre-candidate and the pre-candidate Lasso. Being two candidates of the same tendency, don\u2019t you see yourselves being mutually affected.<\/p>\n

\u00c1LVARO NOBOA:\u00a0 <\/strong>I am not of the same tendency as Lasso. He has declared himself a candidate of the right, I am a left-center candidate. If you remember, in 1998, my Vice-President was Alfredo Castillo, who was a retired communist, a reformed communist. I believe that in the social arena, my ideas are of the left; in the area of production, my ideas are of the right. They are very similar to the Chinese model, where in politics they are of the left and in the part of production, they are of the right. I also don\u2019t see myself as affected by Guillermo Lasso, because I have, according to the last surveys which I do every 15 days, every month, Correa has 36%; \u00c1lvaro Noboa 21%; Lasso 3%; Lucio 2%; Alberto Acosta 2%.<\/p>\n

JORGE AGUIRRE:\u00a0 <\/strong>Those surveys, Counselor, are carried out by your team.<\/p>\n

\u00c1LVARO NOBOA:\u00a0 <\/strong>Things have been happening in such a way that it will lead to a second round between Correa and \u00c1lvaro Noboa, with the aggravating factor for Correa, for that reason he\u2019s desperate to try to see how he can politically persecute me via Bananera Noboa<\/em>, via putting a thousand hurdles in my way, the one with the signatures, he\u2019s even affiliated me with Alianza Pa\u00eds<\/em>; I was affiliated with Alianza Pa\u00eds. <\/em>The persecution that we live under here is terrible for me, because he knows that in the second round he\u2019s not going to have the PRE, the MPD, Pachakutek<\/em>, and all of those people who helped him win the elections of 2006. He\u2019s going to lose the elections in the second round against me.<\/p>\n

HERN\u00c1N HERDOIZA:\u00a0 <\/strong>7:49. With us, in accordance with what he has just said, a new center-left candidate, \u00c1lvaro Noboa.<\/p>\n

The surveys that you were referring to, attorney \u00c1lvaro Noboa, they are specifically carried out for you by your own team.<\/p>\n

\u00c1LVARO NOBOA:\u00a0 <\/strong>Yes, it\u2019s my own team which makes it more reliable, because Mercanoboa<\/em> does it, which is a marketing firm of Grupo Noboa<\/em>, which is the same that has been carrying out commercial surveys for 40 years for our products and that employs a political methodology known by any marketing individual and, well, we spend a lot of money on supervision because the canvassers and freelancers, many times, in order to save money, don\u2019t go to all the points, and they make voluminous samples so that the survey costs less. In our case, on the other hand, we don\u2019t spare a cent.<\/p>\n

HERN\u00c1N HERDOIZA:\u00a0 <\/strong>Counselor, in your five candidacies, what has been your total investment that you have made. In this case, will you keep investing more and more? How do you see this?<\/p>\n

\u00c1LVARO NOBOA:\u00a0 <\/strong>Mandela spent forty years trying to get that in Africa \u2013 I hope that Ecuadorians will admire me one day like Mandela for being the man who worked fifty years to achieve the eradication of poverty in Ecuador, and that it would become a middle class country like the United States and Chile are.<\/p>\n

ERIKA ZAPATA: \u00a0<\/strong>Counselor, being a leftwing candidate, how do your rightwing ideas regarding production fit in?<\/p>\n

\u00c1LVARO NOBOA:\u00a0 <\/strong>In the same way the Chinese do it:\u00a0 in the social arena, to the left, and in regards to production, to the right.<\/p>\n

HERN\u00c1N HERDOIZA:\u00a0 <\/strong>There is an internet page, Counselor, in which the statistics and votes for each candidate are shown \u2013 votaEcuador.com \u2013 and on that page they show you located in penultimate position, one before penultimate, below Mauricio Rodas and Fabricio Correa.<\/p>\n

\u00c1LVARO NOBOA:\u00a0 <\/strong>Of course. In 2006, Santiago Nieto also had me at third before last position only fifteen days before the elections. It\u2019s part of the dirty wary that we spoke about in this interview. How can you believe I am at third before last and be the party with the greatest number of affiliates in the country and they are recent affiliations? How can you believe I can be in third before last when on three occasions I have gotten to the second round, and the people in the street tell me that they are going to continue voting for me over and over again. How can you believe that I am in third before last if I won in \u201998 and I have beaten Correa in 2006? Santiago Nieto always called me a day before the elections and told me, \u201c\u00c1lvaro you\u2019ve made a comeback in these fifteen days: \u00a0from third before last you\u2019ve moved up to first place.\u201d That\u2019s what he said to me in 2006 in the first round.<\/p>\n

HERN\u00c1N HERDOIZA:\u00a0 <\/strong>Unarguably it remains the moral to the story that the best poll is taken the day of the elections.<\/p>\n

\u00c1LVARO NOBOA:\u00a0 <\/strong>So it is. That\u2019s the one that counts.<\/p>\n

ERIKA ZAPATA: <\/strong>\u00a0\u00a0Counselor, the form in which the Chinese mange their economic and political system, what kind of development does it guarantee for the new world?<\/p>\n

\u00c1LVARO NOBOA:\u00a0 <\/strong>The Chinese do what I am proposing. First the Chinese of today is the Chinese who knows how to produce clothes, telephones, cameras, even cars and agricultural machinery. The Chinese of 30 year ago didn\u2019t know that. They trained that Chinese person by inviting him to multinational companies, among them, American companies, so that they took technology, they took knowledge back to the Chinese. Second, they took capital. China was a country without capital and they brought back capital in order to develop the world of the Chinese, in order, well, for them to set up thousands of industries. All that was done with investor\u2019s money, not with Chinese money. They didn\u2019t have the money to do that. There, yes, there is judicial due process given that they don\u2019t go around expropriating nor persecuting investors. Instead they go around supporting and assisting. There is also security for the people in regards to, for example, they catch a drug trafficker, and they carry out what is called martial justice. They put him against a wall and shoot him. Here in this country, and in many Latin American countries, half the news is about traffickers, a terrible thing, and yet nothing happens.<\/p>\n

HERN\u00c1N HERDOIZA:\u00a0 <\/strong>7:57. You are going through a critical moment because of the confrontation with the IRS. You speak of persecution, the Director of the IRS speaks of evasion. What is the truth, what is the reality that the Ecuadorian people should know?<\/p>\n

\u00c1LVARO NOBOA:\u00a0 <\/strong>Well, I am going to read to the Ecuadorian people at this very moment how much they want to collect from me for the fiscal year 2005. Here it says that they want to collect $49,206,895 plus fines and interest. That is to say that it would have made profits of $250 million dollars. That same year, they charged Dole<\/em>, a larger exporter than ourselves, $701,136. And from Chiquita<\/em>, one of the biggest companies in the world, they collected $39,500. Well, those number make it so obvious that it is political persecution, because you cannot charge one $39,500 and another one a thousand times being that they are companies that export to the same markets, with the same transport costs, with the same volumes. Remember that in each campaign I have had this dirty war. Years ago, in another campaign it was Alamos. They proved in the case of Alamos that all the accusations were false. In another campaign it was the rise of bread, and so one listens. In this country where defamation is not a crime, they say anything, make up anything, construct anything, they repeat it a thousand times, and one lie repeated a thousand times at some points becomes a truth.<\/p>\n

I am the Treasury\u2019s highest personal taxpaying Ecuadorian; Grupo Noboa<\/em> is among the 10 businesses that pay the most to the Treasury as a group. They are never going to say that, but that is the reality, and I\u2019m even going to take advantage of this radio channel to tell you that \u00c1lvaro Noboa, for many years now, is not the owner of Grupo Noboa<\/em>.\u00a0 It\u2019s owned by trusts and<\/p>\n

foundations, which is what big businessmen the world over, like Bill Gates and other people have done since they can die at any minute and so they leave their businesses to trusts or foundations. Therefore, persecuting \u00c1lvaro Noboa in this regard is absurd. What \u00c1lvaro Noboa does have is a salary for working in those business of around $2 million dollars and from that he pays taxes, which makes him the highest individual taxpayer, and Grupo Noboa<\/em> has a sales income of hundreds of millions of dollars on profits of tens of millions of dollars and pays taxes on those profits and it does it, in disciplined fashion, every year, and we have nothing pending.<\/p>\n

HERN\u00c1N HERDOIZA:\u00a0 <\/strong>Counselor, with all of these issues that you have given us the details of, who holds the truth in this issue? The truth is something that needs to be managed with great caution.<\/p>\n

\u00c1LVARO NOBOA:\u00a0 <\/strong>Who holds the truth to what?<\/p>\n

HERN\u00c1N HERDOIZA:\u00a0 <\/strong>Regarding these points. In particular in regards to the persecution, the signatures, against your party and above all the stability and also your decision.<\/p>\n

\u00c1LVARO NOBOA:\u00a0 <\/strong>You are the ones that have to decide the truth and every citizen, if a citizen sees that from one company they are demanding $49 million dollars because the business has the name Noboa, and from the other they are collecting $700,000 being the larger of the two, it will be the radio listener who will decide who holds the truth, and it will be the judges.<\/p>\n

Every judge who finds for us, and the same has occurred to the communications media, every time a judge finds for a communications company, they are fired, they are suspended, they are sent to jail and every time that they find for the state, they are promoted. Remember the El Universo <\/em>case. Now it\u2019s a question of the radio listener deciding who holds the truth.<\/p>\n

HERN\u00c1N HERDOIZA:\u00a0 <\/strong>As with all in life, the supreme being and Ecuadorians, as well, in this case.<\/p>\n

Counselor \u00c1lvaro Noboa, we would like to thank you for these good thirty minutes that we have been able to share in your opinions, your truth, your ideas. Counselor, always at your command.<\/p>\n

\u00c1LVARO NOBOA:\u00a0 <\/strong>Thank you very much. For me, it\u2019s been an honor and as there\u2019s still five months to go before the elections, it would be a great honor and great pleasure to continue discussing national problems with you; my program of how to transform Ecuador into a country like the United States, like Chile, which would be my dream and the dream of all Ecuadorians.<\/p>\n

I would also like to take advantage of the opportunity to invite you, this Saturday, to a National Assembly here in Guayaquil, at 4:00 in the afternoon, and the following Saturday in Quito and there we are going to symbolically raffle off a car, we are going to raffle off a scholarship, we are going to give away a job via a raffle to the crowds. These are symbolic acts and it\u2019s for that reason that I say, if business can do that, imagine that I, as president, will also be able to do so with state funds.<\/p>\n

HERN\u00c1N HERDOIZA:\u00a0 <\/strong>8:02 in the morning. We were with \u00c1lvaro Noboa, Presidential pre-candidate and like he said, hopefully we will have the opportunity in the next broadcasts to deal with and analyze the projects of his plan of government.<\/p>\n

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The lawyer \u00c1lvaro Noboa talked on Radio Tarqui about his experiences and political life since the year 1998. About the dirty war he has received and the political persecution he is suffering. He also talked about his future campaign as president of the country and his government plan to create wealth and distribute it\u00a0adequately\u00a0among the Ecuadorians. He also dialogued about the CNE signatures and his call to the Ecuadorian Youth to become PRIAN assemblymen. This event will be realized at the facilities of Industrial Molinera, at 16:30, on Saturday September 22th, 2012. Hear the words of the PRIAN Leader, \u00c1lvaro Noboa: TEXTUAL TRANSCRIPTION HERN\u00c1N HERDOIZA:\u00a0 We have received an interesting proposal to be able to make contact with a businessman, a politician, an attorney.\u00a0 He\u2019s an Ecuadorian, logically, who since 1998, has been constantly present in the political arena. I Continue Reading<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":15,"featured_media":2948,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":[],"categories":[55,59],"tags":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.alvaronoboa.com\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2499"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.alvaronoboa.com\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.alvaronoboa.com\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.alvaronoboa.com\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/15"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.alvaronoboa.com\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=2499"}],"version-history":[{"count":6,"href":"https:\/\/www.alvaronoboa.com\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2499\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":2609,"href":"https:\/\/www.alvaronoboa.com\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2499\/revisions\/2609"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.alvaronoboa.com\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/2948"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.alvaronoboa.com\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=2499"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.alvaronoboa.com\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=2499"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.alvaronoboa.com\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=2499"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}